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  Forum  General DotNetN...  Make it Hot! ( ...  pulling .Head out of the T/H module
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New Post 5/13/2008 7:15 AM
User is offline Timo Breumelhof
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Re: pulling .Head out of the T/H module 
Modified By Timo Breumelhof  on 5/13/2008 10:24:10 AM)

May I ask you what frustrates you most about DNN (as a designer)?


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New Post 5/13/2008 9:05 AM
User is offline keeperofstars
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Re: pulling .Head out of the T/H module 

For anyone who gets frustrated with DNN designing, I STRONGLY suggest you download firefox, and get the web developer tool addon and the firebug add on. the web developer add on lets you "real-time" edit your Css which is good for getting past small tweaks. Firebug lets you see everything going on with your site, and does an exceptional job at showing how / what Css is being cascaded / overwritten by other CSS.

Between the two tools I have been able to resolve 98% of all my "issues" / frustrations. The rest of the time I come here and someone relplies. :)

 
New Post 5/13/2008 12:03 PM
User is offline armand datema
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Re: pulling .Head out of the T/H module 

well there is no frustration you just need to work around some issues becaase some things are auto generated and you jus dont want it. I make all my modules with a repeater so i only output the html I need

@Timo

Well since you are in the dnn skinning project team i would love to have the title control modfied to something like

<dnn:TITLE runat="server" id="dnnTITLE" tag="h1"/>

this will render h1 class="head" instead of span

span is also not the best eleent to use for a title since its an inline element and we mostly use it as a block level element

 

 

 


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New Post 5/13/2008 12:16 PM
User is offline Jeff Cochran
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Re: pulling .Head out of the T/H module 

I'll second pulling .Head out of the module title, though I suspect the new skinning engine in 5.0 may already be headed that direction.  Many of these CSS styles that are built into DNN code make things difficult to code to standards as well.  Plus, overrridng these in a skin or container CSS file just compounds the amount of CSS that must be processed (PageBlaster helps this).

I also have issues with inconsistent use of the H1, H2, etc. tags.  Modifying the container so that I get a responsible use of the tags in hierarchy, which helps in search engine optimization, is a pain that really isn't needed.  Span as a block level tag isn't well thought out in DNN use and adherence to standards is scattered at best.  Again, I'm expecting a lot of these long-running problems to work out in a new skinning engine in Cambrian.  The current engine, though well maintained, is really dated now.

On the other side, at least there is a default style in the module title that works in many skins without modification.  While I don't like the .Head class, it's a simple way to ensure all DNN installs come with a decent set of base styles and provide a method for an inexperienced end user to change the look/style through the management interface.

Jeff

 
New Post 5/13/2008 12:45 PM
User is offline keeperofstars
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Re: pulling .Head out of the T/H module 

well lets not forget that .head is a fail over saftey net for when someone doesnt define the Css Attribute for the TITLE control / token. Its not like there is a large missing whole with containers. While this user had a specific desire to use the H1 tag for their container title its probably not best method in most cases. I would be weiry of using the H1 tag cause it can easily be overwritten in so many places, by end users. Just me though, I have done wierder things.

I am to hoping for a much sleeker / fancier skin option, and from what we have recently heard in the blogs with the use of objects and such it seems like the skinning engine got lots of attention this time.

 
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