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New Post 2/16/2007 1:59 AM
User is offline rgtss
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You might want consider.... 

This DNN thing just gets better and better. Downloaded the installer, ran it. I dont have IIs on my local system. So the software asks for the XP Pro Service Pack 2 CD. You might have considered the fact that many a XP Pro purchase never had service pack 2, that SP2 might have to come from MS on the Web and that when installing SP2 (again) from the Web it ends up creating problems with updates since SP 2 release.

For Guru's, developers... They do not need automated installation. They understand the technology. If they dont then they probably ought learn before messing with the code that is DNN.

For the rest of us that simply want install DNN to a webserver apparently get left out in the dark to figure it all out ourselves.

Your wonderful little utility just screwed my PC up since I figured I'd simply Download SP 2 from the Net again but it automatically went and did its thing. Now I need go back through ALLLLLL the updates since SP 2 and probably need reinstall or uninstall other software. For example I just attempted to run Corel 10 and its blowing up but ran perfectly fine not 2 hours ago.

WHY create an INSTALLER for LOCAL installation of DNN. Makes absolutely no sense at all. People who can setup, administrate IIs server locally, deal with and administrate SQL 2005 locally, deal with VS 2005 do not need an installer. The people WHO DO need an installer are the poor slobs just trying to get it sent up to and running on a webserver on the Internet.

Something is seriously wrong with the direction DNN is going. Perhaps the tech at my host provider was right after all, that DNN ought rename itself. DNN - The CMS/Portal For Developers Only.

 
New Post 2/16/2007 6:01 AM
User is offline Mitch Sellers
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Re: You might want consider.... 

I can understand your frustration, however I do not see where the problems you listed are the fault of DNN.  DNN is a website, to host a website you must have IIS installed, or use the internal web server within Visual Studio 2005.  You can install and setup a DotNetNuke website without the use of an installer, I have done so at least 10-15 times. 

Yes, some of the instructions mught be slightly vague or expect a bit of administration knowledge but I know that individuals are working on more complete step by step guides to assist users with the installation process.  However, regardless if you are looking to setup and administer a website you must know or have the ability to get some basic configuration information for your hosting environment.


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New Post 2/16/2007 8:05 AM
User is offline Carlos Rodriguez
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Re: You might want consider.... 
Modified By Carlos Rodriguez  on 2/16/2007 12:07:13 PM)

I am sorry you misunderstood the purpose of the installer or DNN for that matter.  And IMHO that's what happened here.  Why did you assume that running the installer on your machine would allow you to install software on a remote server???  That is rarely (if ever) done due to complications with the Internet protocols, security access rights, etc.  The purpose of the Installer for a "local" installation is because for you to install it on a server you have to run it there, at the server console, or remotely via Terminal Server.

In addition, let's be realistic, DNN, as the sophisticated Web application it is, is a complex beast.  That is why the Installation package came to be.  But I am also afraid that the Installation package creates the illusion that DNN is an "end user" type of super easy solution to create neat Web sites, like when you buy the Microsoft Office package and insert the CD.  I can install DNN 4.4.1 on my PC or my server in a few steps but I have done this many times and I know that my machines already have all the required components installed, configured, and working properly, these include IIS, SQL Server, and ASP.Net.  A good understanding of how these components work make the installation of DNN much easier, even for first timers.

There is nothing wrong with the direction DNN is going, like I said before, it is a sophisticated AND complex piece of software.  I don't think that any Web application will ever be capable of developing an installation process for end users because they can try to install everything properly but when something goes wrong, like in your case, all hell breaks loose and the end user does not know where to start to diagnose the problems.  You don't mention who your hosting company is but many hosters, and their support techs, support DNN with no problems.  If the technician from your hoster gave you the opinion you quoted about DNN is because he is no good AT ALL with IIS, SQL Server, and ASP.Net, and that's all DNN is.

Again, sorry for your bad experience but maybe your expectations were not totally realistic.  One more thing, the Installer is BETA software (clearly stated on the download page), shame on you if you didn't have a good backup before you started.

Please post any questions you may have before you attempt the installation again and the community will help you.

Carlos

 
New Post 2/16/2007 9:41 AM
User is offline Antonio Chagoury
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Re: You might want consider.... 

First, I would like to thank Carlos for his reply and explanation.

I would like to take a minute and clarify that the installer requires your machine to have:

  1. IIS
  2. ASP.net 2.0
  3. SQL Server

This is by design and It is a feature.

If any of those items are not found on the machine DNN is being installed on then the installer prompts you to take the necessary actions.

In your case, the installer detected that IIS was not present on your machine and prompted you to install it.

To be absolutely clear: The entity that asked you for your Windows XP SP2 was WINDOWS and NOT the Installer.

I will not comment on the DNN direction comment, because I think it is going in the right one. I will also not comment of the question of WHY is an installer needed - obviously, rggts, you have not done enough manual installs.

Lastly, I thank you for your sharing your experience and thoughts with the community, after all, this is why this forum exists.

I hope you persist on DNN, as I guarantee you, it will positively change your professional life.


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