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Posted by: smehaffie
10/1/2006 12:00 AM  RssIcon

I finally gave up trying to get all the application I use to work in the 64-bit version and decided that migrating to the 64-bit would have to wait for the application vendors to catch up with the OS.  I then installed the 32-bit version of Vista, expecting a better experience and it was not any better.  I have read reviews from others saying Vista RC1 is ready for prime time but I do not agree.  Below are my reasons why.

1) I actually had 2 "blue screens of death" using the 32-bit version in the week I used it. which is something I have not seen since I installed XP.

2) IE7 would not even load up and every time I accessed it Vista would shut it down.  I finally got it working by changing the default screen from the new MS search to MSN.  Pretty sad that MS answer to google caused IE7 not to be able to load in Vista.

3) And the number one issue as a developer is that SQL Server 2005 has major incompatibilites with Vista RC1 and they are known issue (below are a few).

-- SQL Server2005 does not recgonize IIS7 and therefore you cannot use any of the features that rely on IIS (Reporting service, etc).  You can get it to recgonsize IIS but you have to install the IIS compatability admin tools which to me defeats having IIS7.  I should not be forced to install backward compatible tools for IIS just to use IIS reliant features of SQL2005.

-- Other parts of the program do not run without telling you their are incompatibilities and when you try to update setting they sometime save and sometime do not save.

-- SQL Express cannot use any o f the advance features such as reportnig services.

--  Other miscellaneous errors when running other applications stating there were compatibility issues, even though the application seemed to install okay.

-- Firefox ran, but you could not save any of your options.

Summary:

If Vista releases as is it will be a mistake by MS, considering the delays that have occurred.  With all the delays users are expecting a rock solid release with not major issues or major security issues.  Anythnig less will cause even more "bad press" than all the delay did combined.  MS has delayed Vista alreay to much, but if another delay means that Vista will be a stable/secure release then I hope there is another delay.  At a minimum no MS applications (32-bit or 64-bit) should have any issues running under Vista.

There are some really cool features in Vista, but as a developer I would seriouly wait to migrate to Vista and make sure the issue with SQL Express / SQL Server2005 (32-bit / 64-bit) are fixed.  That is if any of your application use SQL database.  If on the other hand none of your application use SQL Server then you might be okay (says tongue in cheek).

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Re: Vista RC1 - Not ready for primetime (at least for developers)

There has been a build released after the RC1 - 5728 to be exact. I have installed the 32bit version with much success although it wasn't entirely stable until I updated drivers from my hardwares manufacturers site vs using the ones that came with Vista.

I have yet to be bold enough to try installing any development tools but Firefox 2.0 RC1 works great and some other programs like iTunes etc.

I am looking forward to the final release.

By dubeaud on   11/29/2006 5:55 PM

Security is inversely proportional to convenience.

Don't give up too quick! New security lockdown measures prevents IIS 7 from installing (and activating) everything by default. SQL Server gets stuck because it needs certain IIS components installed. It makes sense after reading these guys...

(long title, easy fix)
You receive a warning message on the System Configuration Check page of the SQL Server 2005 Setup program on a computer that is running Windows Vista Beta 2 or a Server Core installation of Windows Server "Longhorn"
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920201

(more info)
How to install IIS7 in Windows Vista Beta 2
http://www.iis.net/default.aspx?tabid=2&subtabid=25&i=957

(Post SP1 Hotfixes)
Cumulative hotfix package (build 2153) for SQL Server 2005
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918222

By djbaldwin on   11/29/2006 5:55 PM

Re: Vista RC1 - Not ready for primetime (at least for developers)

Are you sure you are using the same Vista RC1 as everyone else? am not proclaiming that Microsoft is the greatest but you are coming from left field with this; on mmany a reviewer website there isn't any claims of mass malfunctioning of the Vista OS.

You shouldn't post your bad experiences and then expect people to not migrate because of issues that seem to be isolated to the current hardware you have. I will give you the SQL rebuttal simply because I don't know about that particular issue but not on anything else.

Please, next time post something that shows a broader prespective of Vista and not just little bugs and hardware hickups that are most likely isolated to hardware issues that few have.

Regards,
Christopher Koeber

By ckoeber on   11/29/2006 5:56 PM

Re: Vista RC1 - Not ready for primetime (at least for developers)

I never said there were mass malfuncitons unless you count 4 issues mass. My post was more about Vista and it it not being ready for developers to use in the state it is in. The SQL Server is not a hardware related issue and the problems with application compatibility is not either (It is MS message saying that there are compatibility issues). For non-developers it is not ready and IMO should not be released as it is. If the SQL-Server compatibility issues do not concern you then maybe the following blog will...

http://www.theserverside.net/news/thread.tss?thread_id=42426&asrc=EM_NLN_599261&uid=967199

Basically is states that Vista will support VB6, but not VS.Net 2002 or VS.Net 2003. If that is not bad enough VS.Net 2005 will be supported but there will compatibility issues developers will have to face until one or more post VS SP2 fixes are released. The reason stated for the issues not being fixed before release is that the VS team is just now looking into the compatibility issues and trying to understand them. This really makes MS look bad when they have had so many delays and the VS team cannot even get thier code to be Vista compatible with all the time they have had to find and correct the issues.

For normal users I epxect Vista to be a very stable and work fine with most of the normal user applications. But for developers MS has already stated that SQL Server Express / 2005 will not be compatible untill SQK Server SP2 is released and they have no idea when that will be released. And now they have also announced the only 100% supported development environment will be VB6 and no support at all for those who use VS 2002/2003 and limited support for VS 2005 until the fixes are released in a post VS SP2 release.

Based on the SQL Server and Visual Studio issues, I guess I was not as far out in left field as you think I was concerning Vista and Developer's migrating to it.

By smehaffie on   10/3/2006 11:17 PM
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